In this short film produced for Voluble, a Los Angeles Review of Books channel, Tarfia Faizullah reads two of her poems. Faizullah, author of the poetry collections Seam (Southern Illinois University Press, 2014) and Registers of Illuminated Villages (Graywolf Press, 2018), collaborated with emcee and producer Brooklyn Shanti and tabla player Robin Sukhadia to create this video.
In this short film produced for Voluble, a Los Angeles Review of Books channel, Tarfia Faizullah reads two of her poems. Faizullah, author of the poetry collections Seam (Southern Illinois University Press, 2014) and Registers of Illuminated Villages (Graywolf Press, 2018), collaborated with emcee and producer Brooklyn Shanti and tabla player Robin Sukhadia to create this video.
In this short film produced for Voluble, a Los Angeles Review of Books channel, Tarfia Faizullah reads two of her poems. Faizullah, author of the poetry collections Seam (Southern Illinois University Press, 2014) and Registers of Illuminated Villages (Graywolf Press, 2018), collaborated with emcee and producer Brooklyn Shanti and tabla player Robin Sukhadia to create this video.
Today, as promised, we’ll talk about how to mix quotation marks with other punctuation.
One of the most common question people ask me is whether periods and commas go inside or outside a closing quotation mark, and there’s a reason everyone is confused. The rules in American English are different from the rules in British English, so if you’re regularly reading American and British publications, such as the BBC and CNN websites, you’ll regularly see it done different ways.
In America, we use a hard-and-fast rule that was supposedly designed by compositors to protect the tiny commas and periods (1, 2). We always put periods and commas inside quotation marks.
In Britain, they use rules that require the writer to determine whether the period or comma belong with the quotation or are part of the larger sentence. It appears that early champions of this logical system were H.W. Fowler and F.G. Fowler who wrote the classic 1906 British usage guide The King’s English (3). In it, the brothers describe the British logical system of punctuation. They note that they are in conflict with compositors, people who set type, but the Fowlers believe their system is better.
In short, my U.S.-centric memory trick is to remember that inside the U.S., periods and commas go inside quotation marks.
Squiggly said, “I hate packing for a vacation.”
“I hate packing for a vacation,” said the yellow snail.
I also have to share a funny comment from the website. Michael from the University of Tennessee in Knoxville said, “Almost 60 years ago a linotype operator told me, ‘Commas and periods always go inside the quotation marks because if we wait for the [editorial side] to quit arguing about it, we'd never get the paper out.’”
That made me laugh, and I’ll add that this is the rule that I get the most pushback on. It is a hard-and-fast rule of American English, but every time I post something about it, I get all kinds of comments from Americans who say they think it’s a stupid rule, they don’t care what the stylebooks say, and they’re going to do it the British way. So there! And all I can say is that it’s your choice. I can only tell you the rules. If you want to do it some other way, that’s completely up to you.
When combining exclamation points and question marks with quotation marks, however, Americans follow the same logical system as the British. Where you place the other marks relative to the quotation mark depends on the context of the quotation.
If the whole sentence, including the quotation, is a question or an exclamation, then the question mark or exclamation point goes outside the closing quotation mark; but if only the part inside the quotation marks is a question or exclamation, then the question mark or exclamation point goes inside the closing quotation mark. Examples will help.
In this sentence, the whole thing is a question, so the question mark goes after the closing quotation mark:
Did she ask you whether you enjoyed Aardvark’s song “Ode to Ants”?
However, in this sentence only the part in quotation marks is a question, so the question mark goes inside the closing quotation mark:
I love Aardvark’s song “Where Have All the Ants Gone?”
The same rules apply for exclamation points.
With semicolons, colons, asterisks, and dashes, we get back to a simple rule. They go outside the closing quotation mark.
I love “Ode to Ants”; it’s insightful and moving.
“Ode to “Ants”: A Moving and Insightful Song
Aardvark’s greatest hit is “Ode to Ants.”*
I love “Ode to Ants”--it’s insightful and moving.
In American English, periods and commas always go inside the closing quotation mark; semicolons, colons, asterisks, and dashes always go outside the closing quotation mark; and question marks and exclamation points require that you analyze the sentence and make a decision based on context.
References
pthompsen, "Typesetters' Quotes vs. Logical Quotes" MacHeist Forum. http://cli.gs/pRSE2g (accessed August 22, 2011).
2. Wikipedia contributors, "Quotation mark," Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Quotation_mark&oldid=299541669 (accessed August 22, 2011).
3. Fowler H.W. and Fowler F.G., The King’s English, Oxford at the Clarendon Press, 1906 (accessed via Google Books August 22, 2011 http://j.mp/pbfmyu)
*co-written with Squiggly
Today, as promised, we’ll talk about how to mix quotation marks with other punctuation.
One of the most common question people ask me is whether periods and commas go inside or outside a closing quotation mark, and there’s a reason everyone is confused. The rules in American English are different from the rules in British English, so if you’re regularly reading American and British publications, such as the BBC and CNN websites, you’ll regularly see it done different ways.
In America, we use a hard-and-fast rule that was supposedly designed by compositors to protect the tiny commas and periods (1, 2). We always put periods and commas inside quotation marks.
In Britain, they use rules that require the writer to determine whether the period or comma belong with the quotation or are part of the larger sentence. It appears that early champions of this logical system were H.W. Fowler and F.G. Fowler who wrote the classic 1906 British usage guide The King’s English (3). In it, the brothers describe the British logical system of punctuation. They note that they are in conflict with compositors, people who set type, but the Fowlers believe their system is better.
In short, my U.S.-centric memory trick is to remember that inside the U.S., periods and commas go inside quotation marks.
Squiggly said, “I hate packing for a vacation.”
“I hate packing for a vacation,” said the yellow snail.
I also have to share a funny comment from the website. Michael from the University of Tennessee in Knoxville said, “Almost 60 years ago a linotype operator told me, ‘Commas and periods always go inside the quotation marks because if we wait for the [editorial side] to quit arguing about it, we'd never get the paper out.’”
That made me laugh, and I’ll add that this is the rule that I get the most pushback on. It is a hard-and-fast rule of American English, but every time I post something about it, I get all kinds of comments from Americans who say they think it’s a stupid rule, they don’t care what the stylebooks say, and they’re going to do it the British way. So there! And all I can say is that it’s your choice. I can only tell you the rules. If you want to do it some other way, that’s completely up to you.
When combining exclamation points and question marks with quotation marks, however, Americans follow the same logical system as the British. Where you place the other marks relative to the quotation mark depends on the context of the quotation.
If the whole sentence, including the quotation, is a question or an exclamation, then the question mark or exclamation point goes outside the closing quotation mark; but if only the part inside the quotation marks is a question or exclamation, then the question mark or exclamation point goes inside the closing quotation mark. Examples will help.
In this sentence, the whole thing is a question, so the question mark goes after the closing quotation mark:
Did she ask you whether you enjoyed Aardvark’s song “Ode to Ants”?
However, in this sentence only the part in quotation marks is a question, so the question mark goes inside the closing quotation mark:
I love Aardvark’s song “Where Have All the Ants Gone?”
The same rules apply for exclamation points.
With semicolons, colons, asterisks, and dashes, we get back to a simple rule. They go outside the closing quotation mark.
I love “Ode to Ants”; it’s insightful and moving.
“Ode to “Ants”: A Moving and Insightful Song
Aardvark’s greatest hit is “Ode to Ants.”*
I love “Ode to Ants”--it’s insightful and moving.
In American English, periods and commas always go inside the closing quotation mark; semicolons, colons, asterisks, and dashes always go outside the closing quotation mark; and question marks and exclamation points require that you analyze the sentence and make a decision based on context.
References
pthompsen, "Typesetters' Quotes vs. Logical Quotes" MacHeist Forum. http://cli.gs/pRSE2g (accessed August 22, 2011).
2. Wikipedia contributors, "Quotation mark," Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Quotation_mark&oldid=299541669 (accessed August 22, 2011).
3. Fowler H.W. and Fowler F.G., The King’s English, Oxford at the Clarendon Press, 1906 (accessed via Google Books August 22, 2011 http://j.mp/pbfmyu)
*co-written with Squiggly
Today, as promised, we’ll talk about how to mix quotation marks with other punctuation.
One of the most common question people ask me is whether periods and commas go inside or outside a closing quotation mark, and there’s a reason everyone is confused. The rules in American English are different from the rules in British English, so if you’re regularly reading American and British publications, such as the BBC and CNN websites, you’ll regularly see it done different ways.
In America, we use a hard-and-fast rule that was supposedly designed by compositors to protect the tiny commas and periods (1, 2). We always put periods and commas inside quotation marks.
In Britain, they use rules that require the writer to determine whether the period or comma belong with the quotation or are part of the larger sentence. It appears that early champions of this logical system were H.W. Fowler and F.G. Fowler who wrote the classic 1906 British usage guide The King’s English (3). In it, the brothers describe the British logical system of punctuation. They note that they are in conflict with compositors, people who set type, but the Fowlers believe their system is better.
In short, my U.S.-centric memory trick is to remember that inside the U.S., periods and commas go inside quotation marks.
Squiggly said, “I hate packing for a vacation.”
“I hate packing for a vacation,” said the yellow snail.
I also have to share a funny comment from the website. Michael from the University of Tennessee in Knoxville said, “Almost 60 years ago a linotype operator told me, ‘Commas and periods always go inside the quotation marks because if we wait for the [editorial side] to quit arguing about it, we'd never get the paper out.’”
That made me laugh, and I’ll add that this is the rule that I get the most pushback on. It is a hard-and-fast rule of American English, but every time I post something about it, I get all kinds of comments from Americans who say they think it’s a stupid rule, they don’t care what the stylebooks say, and they’re going to do it the British way. So there! And all I can say is that it’s your choice. I can only tell you the rules. If you want to do it some other way, that’s completely up to you.
When combining exclamation points and question marks with quotation marks, however, Americans follow the same logical system as the British. Where you place the other marks relative to the quotation mark depends on the context of the quotation.
If the whole sentence, including the quotation, is a question or an exclamation, then the question mark or exclamation point goes outside the closing quotation mark; but if only the part inside the quotation marks is a question or exclamation, then the question mark or exclamation point goes inside the closing quotation mark. Examples will help.
In this sentence, the whole thing is a question, so the question mark goes after the closing quotation mark:
Did she ask you whether you enjoyed Aardvark’s song “Ode to Ants”?
However, in this sentence only the part in quotation marks is a question, so the question mark goes inside the closing quotation mark:
I love Aardvark’s song “Where Have All the Ants Gone?”
The same rules apply for exclamation points.
With semicolons, colons, asterisks, and dashes, we get back to a simple rule. They go outside the closing quotation mark.
I love “Ode to Ants”; it’s insightful and moving.
“Ode to “Ants”: A Moving and Insightful Song
Aardvark’s greatest hit is “Ode to Ants.”*
I love “Ode to Ants”--it’s insightful and moving.
In American English, periods and commas always go inside the closing quotation mark; semicolons, colons, asterisks, and dashes always go outside the closing quotation mark; and question marks and exclamation points require that you analyze the sentence and make a decision based on context.
References
pthompsen, "Typesetters' Quotes vs. Logical Quotes" MacHeist Forum. http://cli.gs/pRSE2g (accessed August 22, 2011).
2. Wikipedia contributors, "Quotation mark," Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Quotation_mark&oldid=299541669 (accessed August 22, 2011).
3. Fowler H.W. and Fowler F.G., The King’s English, Oxford at the Clarendon Press, 1906 (accessed via Google Books August 22, 2011 http://j.mp/pbfmyu)
*co-written with Squiggly
Today, as promised, we’ll talk about how to mix quotation marks with other punctuation.
One of the most common question people ask me is whether periods and commas go inside or outside a closing quotation mark, and there’s a reason everyone is confused. The rules in American English are different from the rules in British English, so if you’re regularly reading American and British publications, such as the BBC and CNN websites, you’ll regularly see it done different ways.
In America, we use a hard-and-fast rule that was supposedly designed by compositors to protect the tiny commas and periods (1, 2). We always put periods and commas inside quotation marks.
In Britain, they use rules that require the writer to determine whether the period or comma belong with the quotation or are part of the larger sentence. It appears that early champions of this logical system were H.W. Fowler and F.G. Fowler who wrote the classic 1906 British usage guide The King’s English (3). In it, the brothers describe the British logical system of punctuation. They note that they are in conflict with compositors, people who set type, but the Fowlers believe their system is better.
In short, my U.S.-centric memory trick is to remember that inside the U.S., periods and commas go inside quotation marks.
Squiggly said, “I hate packing for a vacation.”
“I hate packing for a vacation,” said the yellow snail.
I also have to share a funny comment from the website. Michael from the University of Tennessee in Knoxville said, “Almost 60 years ago a linotype operator told me, ‘Commas and periods always go inside the quotation marks because if we wait for the [editorial side] to quit arguing about it, we'd never get the paper out.’”
That made me laugh, and I’ll add that this is the rule that I get the most pushback on. It is a hard-and-fast rule of American English, but every time I post something about it, I get all kinds of comments from Americans who say they think it’s a stupid rule, they don’t care what the stylebooks say, and they’re going to do it the British way. So there! And all I can say is that it’s your choice. I can only tell you the rules. If you want to do it some other way, that’s completely up to you.
When combining exclamation points and question marks with quotation marks, however, Americans follow the same logical system as the British. Where you place the other marks relative to the quotation mark depends on the context of the quotation.
If the whole sentence, including the quotation, is a question or an exclamation, then the question mark or exclamation point goes outside the closing quotation mark; but if only the part inside the quotation marks is a question or exclamation, then the question mark or exclamation point goes inside the closing quotation mark. Examples will help.
In this sentence, the whole thing is a question, so the question mark goes after the closing quotation mark:
Did she ask you whether you enjoyed Aardvark’s song “Ode to Ants”?
However, in this sentence only the part in quotation marks is a question, so the question mark goes inside the closing quotation mark:
I love Aardvark’s song “Where Have All the Ants Gone?”
The same rules apply for exclamation points.
With semicolons, colons, asterisks, and dashes, we get back to a simple rule. They go outside the closing quotation mark.
I love “Ode to Ants”; it’s insightful and moving.
“Ode to “Ants”: A Moving and Insightful Song
Aardvark’s greatest hit is “Ode to Ants.”*
I love “Ode to Ants”--it’s insightful and moving.
In American English, periods and commas always go inside the closing quotation mark; semicolons, colons, asterisks, and dashes always go outside the closing quotation mark; and question marks and exclamation points require that you analyze the sentence and make a decision based on context.
References
pthompsen, "Typesetters' Quotes vs. Logical Quotes" MacHeist Forum. http://cli.gs/pRSE2g (accessed August 22, 2011).
2. Wikipedia contributors, "Quotation mark," Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Quotation_mark&oldid=299541669 (accessed August 22, 2011).
3. Fowler H.W. and Fowler F.G., The King’s English, Oxford at the Clarendon Press, 1906 (accessed via Google Books August 22, 2011 http://j.mp/pbfmyu)
*co-written with Squiggly
“This year, I read a book each day during the month of August. Though it was one of the most challenging things I’ve ever done, I’m so glad I did it. Before then, I hadn’t read a full collection of poetry in weeks. Between my work at Cave Canem and promoting Ordinary Beast, I hadn’t been reading as much and chalked it up to not having enough time. But that wasn’t true, as I would make time to play Juice Jam during my commute. Those hours spent making matches of three to five fruits could’ve been spent reading. With the book-a-day challenge, I had to make better use of and be strategic with my time, which included those hours spent in transit.
Rumor is: It takes twenty-one days to form a habit. I’m happy to report that, after the challenge, I still read every day...just not a book a day. I’ve found that reading activates my creativity, so I’m looking forward to the work that will result.”
—Nicole Sealey, author of Ordinary Beast (Ecco, 2017)
“This year, I read a book each day during the month of August. Though it was one of the most challenging things I’ve ever done, I’m so glad I did it. Before then, I hadn’t read a full collection of poetry in weeks. Between my work at Cave Canem and promoting Ordinary Beast, I hadn’t been reading as much and chalked it up to not having enough time. But that wasn’t true, as I would make time to play Juice Jam during my commute. Those hours spent making matches of three to five fruits could’ve been spent reading. With the book-a-day challenge, I had to make better use of and be strategic with my time, which included those hours spent in transit.
Rumor is: It takes twenty-one days to form a habit. I’m happy to report that, after the challenge, I still read every day...just not a book a day. I’ve found that reading activates my creativity, so I’m looking forward to the work that will result.”
—Nicole Sealey, author of Ordinary Beast (Ecco, 2017)
“This year, I read a book each day during the month of August. Though it was one of the most challenging things I’ve ever done, I’m so glad I did it. Before then, I hadn’t read a full collection of poetry in weeks. Between my work at Cave Canem and promoting Ordinary Beast, I hadn’t been reading as much and chalked it up to not having enough time. But that wasn’t true, as I would make time to play Juice Jam during my commute. Those hours spent making matches of three to five fruits could’ve been spent reading. With the book-a-day challenge, I had to make better use of and be strategic with my time, which included those hours spent in transit.
Rumor is: It takes twenty-one days to form a habit. I’m happy to report that, after the challenge, I still read every day...just not a book a day. I’ve found that reading activates my creativity, so I’m looking forward to the work that will result.”
—Nicole Sealey, author of Ordinary Beast (Ecco, 2017)
